The Fire Of God
Bob Neumann

For over five weeks now I have struggled with the images I have been shown. In this time I have prayed and waited for answers that have not appeared to come. In this time I ''turned off'' all the distractions as I could. I have watched no TV....listened to no RADIO....ignored my E-MAIL....and left my PC off for long stretches. What I have found is little that makes me feel good. But let me share these two verses....

1 Corinthians 11:31-32
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. (KJV)

For a long time I believed if I 'judged myself' everything would be okay. How many times have I heard people say that we are not to judge others? Yet Paul taught that we are not to judge each other, then tells us to judge his words. In fact he says in 1 Corinthians 4:3 that he can not judge himself and says it is a ''small thing'' when others judge him. So how can we judge ourselves? How do we ''weigh'' ourselves and assess our lives? Man has taught that this can be done. So I have tried to ''weigh'' myself and I failed because I wanted a ''good outcome''. Who wouldn't? How many times have I heard preaching about ''transparent'' Christians...people with nothing to hide? No secrets.....No hidden sin....

Once we reach that ''stage'' we are ''righteous'' and above judgement by others who are not supposed to judge us in the first place. It is a wonderful cycle of lies, easy to accept, easy to trust, easy to foster onto others. The only problem is it forgets verse 32 and this is where THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT jumped me. To assume that if I 'judged myself'....no one else would 'judge me'....places me in the ''rocking chair'' on the HIGHWAY OF HOLINESS. I can coast on in without worry of being ''caught'' breaking the 'speed' limit. Sure there is ''no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit'', but that is not what THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT was trying to get me to see. Judgement and Condemnation are not the same. Condemnation is what we have without SALVATION. The images of THE FIRE and THE FORGE do not speak of "condemnation''. They speak of being ''used''...of having ''value'' to the KING.

Verse 21 says if we 'judge' ourselves...we will not really be judging anything. Either we will rationalize a ''full pardon'' or we will do the opposite and self-flagellate ourselves in our own failures and past sins. Paul ties being ''judged'' with being ''chastened of THE LORD''. Which means 'going through the FIRE'....and that brings us to a 'new place'...
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

THE SCALES speaks of us to strive for HIS HOLINESS....something I am trying to do.

So please forgive my 'lack' of civility, of response to your emails, of my failures to do anything that might make sense.......because I have fallen on that narrow and rocky path that leads to HIS MOUNTAIN. You have to understand we were never meant to ''coast in''. We were meant to fall and struggle and to strain with every breath right to the end. Somewhere along the line ''we'' have to end. To be broken, and die. But along the way we also must find that everything we are, think, say and do must pass through THE FIRE.

Think about this for a moment. What was the greatest abomination described in the OLD TESTAMENT?

Come on, think about it.....

What did GOD'S PEOPLE do that tore it....that  MADE  a HOLY GOD say enough is enough?

Maybe each of you have a different answer....there are many sins repeated over and over.....but what I have 'witnessed' is warned against in both Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel declare the sin occurring in their time. In fact THE WORD declares Solomon ''fell'' into the sin himself. It is a parody and counterfeit of what THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT is doing now....

Leviticus 20:1-8

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.
4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:
5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.
7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.
8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you. (KJV)

For some reason a MOST HOLY GOD did not want people to throw their children into a fire of another god. In fact Jeremiah shares ABBA'S WORDS with us on this subject most clearly......

29 Cut off thine hair, O Jerusalem, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on high places; for the LORD hath rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath.
30 For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.
32 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place.
33 And the carcases of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth; and none shall fray them away.
34 Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

Does anyone notice the last verse? Paul tells us that we will be judged with fire. That nothing remains except the ''gold, silver, and precious stones''. When you read 1 Corinthians 3 Paul is not talking about SALVATION. Yet how many sermons on HOLINESS or SANCTIFICATION really explained what GOLD means to ABBA? How many exhortations defined SILVER as Y'SHUA wants us to know? Is there any major teaching  that shows us what THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT calls PRECIOUS STONES? In Malachi 3:17 it says we are HIS JEWELS when we put GOD FIRST in our thoughts, words, actions.

Now what did JESUS say about "SEEK YE FIRST''? Funny how THE MASTER puts a double whammy out there and we just lump it all together and go our merry ways ''cruisin' to GLORY''. HE CLEARLY MAKES A DISTINCTION BETWEEN ''THE KINGDOM OF GOD'' AND THE FATHER'S RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Actually, seriously studying Matthew 6 is a powerful template of THE KINGDOM from THE MASTER'S point of view. Only most of it is ignored and convoluted by ''church'' tradition and man's doctrines. It is where our ''lack'' is easily shown when we sit in the fire. When all the garbage and baggage we cling to is converted to ashes because we did not seek first what pleases ABBA. I guess that is what has grieved me most.

Please understand I was given but the briefest glimpses of THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE and in this moment of PURE JUSTICE I found myself in DANIEL 5 and I walked away with but one WORD....  TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

Wanting....to lack....Lacking....failing to measure up.

Ever wonder about ''short changing'' GOD? I have.....and that has kept me silent and ashamed. There is a MASTER who expects a ''profit'' from HIS SERVANTS. HE has given much and much is now expected. If you think I am just ''dreaming'' this up, please stay away from THE PARABLE OF THE TALENTS. Months ago I was told to share with everyone about "wise'' and ''faithful'' servants....about ''meat in due season''. Luke takes this image and expands it to include ''seeking first THE KINGDOM''....here is some 'meat'

31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against

Who would have tied the JUDGEMENT BY FIRE that Paul spoke of with the prophecy of JOHN THE BAPTIST? And once again it is a double whammy. THE MASTER above tells ol' Pete that HE is sending ''fire'' and the next words are about ''baptism''......or should I say "immersion''....or might I place before you an image of being ''birthed'' by SPIRIT AND FIRE....which JOHN spoke of?

Do you want to talk about ELIJAH ANOINTINGS....ELIJAH PROPHETS....SONS OF THUNDER....?????

or is it simply THE SONS OF GOD tried and proven from the FORGE OF GOD?

WEAPONS and TOOLS of THE KINGDOM.......shaped BY THE MASTER....for HIS PLEASURE....like it or not HIS WORD IS TRUE, HIS WORD IS LIFE and HE SAID '' To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven''........

You see once again I have had the joy of seeing HIS FORGE and working at THE MASTER'S SIDE. Sure it was a VISION....but GOD has not changed. HE STILL IS GOD. JOB 33....

14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.
18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.

Again the ''double whammy''.....or if you want me to stay scriptural....THE TWO EDGED SWORD of HIS WORD. For HIS WORDS speak on multiple levels and HIS WORD declares we need to start eating ''strong meat''....

10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedek.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

For if you read JOB 33 we were warned....

19 He is chastened also with pain upon his bed, and the multitude of his bones with strong pain:
20 So that his life abhorreth bread, and his soul dainty meat.
21 His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; and his bones that were not seen stick out.
22 Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave, and his life to the destroyers.
23 If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness:
24 Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.
25 His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth:
26 He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto man his righteousness.
27 He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not;
28 He will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and his life shall see the light.
29 Lo, all these things worketh God oftentimes with man,
30 To bring back his soul from the pit, to be enlightened with the light of the living.
31 Mark well, O Job, hearken unto me: hold thy peace, and I will speak.
32 If thou hast any thing to say, answer me: speak, for I desire to justify thee.
33 If not, hearken unto me: hold thy peace, and I shall teach thee wisdom.

We were given a messenger, an advocate, an interpreter....who showed us HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS and has paid our ransom. HE IS OUR WAY...OUR TRUTH...OUR LIGHT.....

Like JOB I shut my mouth and WATCHED HIM....and I hope I have learned HIS WISDOM for the days ahead.

HIS PEACE to all who read this

The Forge Of God
Bob Neumann

8/12/2000

Not long ago I wrote on this keyboard the churning of my spirit concerning what the SPIRIT of GOD is doing. It was simply formed from 'night visions' that a HOLY GOD sealed in me, and my search for meaning and understanding of HIS IMAGES. It was simply titled........

THE FIRE OF GOD

I will grant to you that it was not a "thus say THE LORD'', nor was it a long narration of the 'vision'. Once such visions were received with firm dictation of GOD'S INTENT and DESIRES. It seemed to be the pattern and it repeated over and over. This Pattern is seen over and over all around us. Only several weeks/months ago this began to change....at least for me. The IMAGES within the 'night visions' were no less intense and absorbing, but what was missing was the PRESENCE of a "VERBAL DICTATION". In the 'course of time' I have gone from perplexity and doubt to ''understanding''. It is very sobering. It is also intriguing and interesting. Observation of exactly what  THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT is doing is not as important as the "HOW", "WHO", "WHERE", and "WHY" . Not long ago THE LAMB told me to 'take notice' how ''interesting'' things are going to get. It seems we have got there.

In the past few weeks there have been wonderful images placed before the ''congregation of the internet'' by many. There have been voices about GOD'S TAPESTRY and ''threads'', there have been many who shared of rivers and waters, vessels and pourings. But what is most noticed are the ''images'' of fire, and ''immersion in HIS LOVE''. All I will say is that every image is for us to learn...to grow...to mature. In simple clear words they were meant to change us and to shape us. To CONFORM US into HIS DESIRES for us. In my spirit I keep hearing very ''sobering'' insights about the ''church'' and the ''brethren''. It seems the warning about ears that hear, and eyes that see have not changed in 2000 years.

So in obedience I will share with whoever has eyes and ears attentive to THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT an image I have seen several times, but has expanded for this time and season. Let it be titled....

THE FORGE OF GOD

Several weeks ago I found myself in a familiar place of intense heat and noise. Ahead of me was an area of ''darkness'' in the center of which was a ''circle'' of ''brightness''. From this ''circle'' came wave after wave of the most intense heat. As I approached the circle I could hear the ''whooshing'' sound of a bellows and the more rapid sound of hammer strikes. As I came as close as I could get I felt a hand on my shoulder and saw a finger point at a specific point in the FURNACE OF GOD. Without hesitation I reached out and took a long handle that stuck out from the opening. At the far end of the handle was a crucible that had sat in the heart of THE FIRE OF GOD. I took out the crucible and turned to my left. A few paces away were several molds and I poured molten metal into each and returned the crucible to THE FIRE.

The molten metal glowed with the heat and dulled as the heat slowly dissipated. So it is with us I thought. We shine best when still in HIS FIRE. It was at this point I heard HIS VOICE say "COME'' and I turned and saw my MASTER dressed in heavy leather apron and cap. In HIS HAND was a long set of tongues of heavy black iron which he handed me. Turning back to the FORGE I saw in the fire a glowing piece of metal similar to what was in the molds. I reached into the FIRE and took it out and this time turned to my right. Again a step or two and I stood at an immense anvil. Upon setting it on the anvil THE MASTER STRUCK it several powerful blows with a hammer, and taking the tongues in HIS LEFT HAND regripped the metal in the tongues and struck it several times and handed the hammer to me. Somewhere in me there has been a ''cadence'' for a long, long time. I found this cadence come out as a steady flow of strikes landed....IRON ON IRON...was what I kept hearing THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT say deep within me. I kept striking the metal and THE MASTER turned and moved it beneath THE HAMMER. HE KNEW what HE WAS DOING. I just was doing what I was ''told to do''. After awhile the metal was longer and wider than when we started and THE MASTER bent it over on itself several times. At the proper time HE took the metal shape and returned it to the FIRE.

Now I had had this ''vision'' several times in the past and have shared it in previous accounts that have gone out on the internet. It was at this point those others would end....only this vision went on....

THE MASTER walked a short ways away and came back with a long heavy pole with a funny looking curved piece of metal at the end. HE removed a binding and detached the metal from the wood and simply reached into THE FORGE and placed it into the center of THE FIRE. I shuddered because the heat was so intense and sweat poured off me. Calmly HE TURNED TO ME AND SPOKE....

"SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO RESHAPE YOUR WORK TO GET THE MOST OUT OF IT". Saying that HE pointed to THE FIRE and I took out the now gleaming curve of metal. With fast hard blows THE MASTER straightened the curve in less than a minute and pointed toward THE FIRE where I returned it. I watched as the metal began to glow again. But now I noticed a change. The "bellows sound'' I had been hearing had increased in tempo and in volume. THE BREATH OF GOD had increased in power and in cadence around me. With a simple tap on my shoulder I reached in with the tongues and took out the metal and placed it on THE ANVIL, only to watch THE MASTER strike it once, twice and reach down to take the white hot metal in HIS hand. HE RAISED IT TO HIS FACE AND TURNED IT, INSPECTING IT CLOSELY. I watched HIM SMILE and step away from THE FORGE where a trough of flowing water had stood in previous visions. Holding the metal HE PLUNGED it into the stream of cold, clear WATER....

From the intense billows of steam that rose up HE STEPPED out with a smile on HIS FACE. Lifting it towards my face HE turned it so I could see it. "IT IS GOOD, SHEMUEL. IT WILL NOW DO WELL IN THE VALLEY OF DECISION'' was HIS DECLARATION to me as HE placed it in a pile of many others....new spear heads..... that awaited to be attached to a wooden pole. Now somewhere inside me ran the verses from Joel about "MULTITUDES in THE VALLEY OF DECISION'' and the awareness how long those WORDS/SEEDS had been planted in my being.

This is where I had intended to end this narration. The rest seemed only to apply to me. Yet according to MY MASTER is part and parcel to my purpose in HIS KINGDOM. It is part of my ''testimony'', according to HIM.

For you see....it was at this point the 'night vision' should have ended. Instead THE MASTER LED me ''around a corner'' that had never been there in the previous visions. Maybe my eyes were not meant to see....or maybe it was not yet the ''time or season'' for HIS PURPOSES FOR ME. Whatever the case we stood before another ''opening'' to the FORGE of GOD and this had a door to it. Here HE opened THE DOOR and the heat was even greater than the FORGE. HE REACHED in and took a large glazed vessel with handle and spout. It was beautiful. Then HE took out a square box like shape and a lid for it. It was a wondrous color of fine porcelain and HE spoke a name....of a person who shares prophetic insights on the internet....and I had to agree....it fit perfectly. Then HE reached in and brought out a large glazed bowel followed by different products of THE KILN OF GOD.

After awhile HE closed the DOOR TO THE KILN and turned another corner and again came to a small opening of great intensity. HE motioned me to the opening and inside was a ''pool of light''. It is my best description of what I saw. Reaching in HE stirred it with HIS FINGERS. Every color imaginable flowed in HIS HAND. Stepping away from the opening HE took a long black tube and stuck it into the pool and turned it slowly. I say tube because I knew from the natural what I was seeing and then HE SPOKE TO ME.

"NOW YOU UNDERSTAND ONE REASON WHY I HAVE USED YOU''. HE SAID QUIETLY as HE stepped back from THE FIRE with a ''ball'' at the end of the tube. "AND  NOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMAGES YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN FROM MY FATHER THROUGH ME AND THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT HAVE HAD A PURPOSE.''  With those words HE put HIS MOUTH to the tube and BLEW into the ''ball'' at the end. As if I had done it thousands of times before I began to turn the tube and watched the ''motion'' give shape to the molten glass at the end. As I watched in fascination as the term ''earthen vessels'' take on a different aspect. or should I say ''facet''. And I understood. So many things....so many....

Once again HE brought the "work'' of HIS HANDS up so I could expect it. HE TOUCHED THE GLASS with HIS HAND and the glass was elastic and moved with HIM. "I WISHED ALL MY WORK WAS SO EASY TO SHAPE OLD FRIEND, BUT SO MANY LIKE THE FIRE FOR WHAT THEY THINK THEY CAN GET OUT OF IT. THEY KEEP FORGETTING THAT I HAVE A SAY IN WHAT I DO. TOO MANY WILL ONLY HEAR MY VOICE WITH THE LAST WORDS THEY SHALL EVER HEAR.'' I  guess it was HIS DEEP CHUCKLE that gave me a shudder down my spine. And the FIRE IN HIS EYES told me HE WAS DEADLY SERIOUS.

''IT IS NICE TO SEE YOU ARE GATHERING SILVER LIKE I ASKED YOU TO'', HE STATED AND TURNED ANOTHER CORNER. We were standing before a large table and THE MASTER took a chair next to the WALL of THE FORGE. Before HIM were blocks of clay with indentations in them. HE reached into THE FIRE and took out an iron ''ladle'' and poured into the indentations....they were molds. After returning the tool into THE FIRE. After a moment HE opened a mold and an OBJECT of bright GOLD stood on the TABLE. It was still rough yet and I "knew'' it would be shaped further in THE MASTER'S HANDS.

and this is where I can end this narration.

now the question is how much ''interpretation'' does it need?

indeed, how much do I need to do to show the scriptures that hold revelation because of the images within this vision?

let me make this simple. use a couple scriptures and let whoever reads this to seek THE LORD themselves.

4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:
27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:
28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

1 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:
2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.
3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:
4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.
5 One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel.
6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

ISAIAH 49........

21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
 

Job 28:1-28

1 Surely there is a vein for the silver, and a place for gold where they fine it.
2 Iron is taken out of the earth, and brass is molten out of the stone.
3 He setteth an end to darkness, and searcheth out all perfection: the stones of darkness, and the shadow of death.
4 The flood breaketh out from the inhabitant; even the waters forgotten of the foot: they are dried up, they are gone away from men.
5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.
6 The stones of it are the place of sapphires: and it hath dust of gold.
7 There is a path which no fowl knoweth, and which the vulture's eye hath not seen:
8 The lion's whelps have not trodden it, nor the fierce lion passed by it.
9 He putteth forth his hand upon the rock; he overturneth the mountains by the roots.
10 He cutteth out rivers among the rocks; and his eye seeth every precious thing.
11 He bindeth the floods from overflowing; and the thing that is hid bringeth he forth to light.
12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?
13 Man knoweth not the price thereof; neither is it found in the land of the living.
14 The depth saith, It is not in me: and the sea saith, It is not with me.
15 It cannot be gotten for gold, neither shall silver be weighed for the price thereof.
16 It cannot be valued with the gold of Ophir, with the precious onyx, or the sapphire.
17 The gold and the crystal cannot equal it: and the exchange of it shall not be for jewels of fine gold.
18 No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: for the price of wisdom is above rubies.
19 The topaz of Ethiopia shall not equal it, neither shall it be valued with pure gold.
20 Whence then cometh wisdom? and where is the place of understanding?
21 Seeing it is hid from the eyes of all living, and kept close from the fowls of the air.
22 Destruction and death say, We have heard the fame thereof with our ears.
23 God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.
24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;
25 To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.
26 When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder:
27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.
28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. (KJV)
 

Proverbs 3:1-35

1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.
11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
21 My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:
22 So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.
23 Then shalt thou walk in thy way safely, and thy foot shall not stumble.
24 When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet.
25 Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh.
26 For the LORD shall be thy confidence, and shall keep thy foot from being taken.
27 Withhold not good from them to whom it is due, when it is in the power of thine hand to do it.
28 Say not unto thy neighbour, Go, and come again, and to morrow I will give; when thou hast it by thee.
29 Devise not evil against thy neighbour, seeing he dwelleth securely by thee.
30 Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.
31 Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways.
32 For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous.
33 The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
34 Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.
35 The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools. (KJV)

so in obedience I withheld nothing that I have been given....except how it applies to me.....nor have I striven with any man without reason or cause.

shemuel
 

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